I would actually say that the majority of my experience was in a client-facing role. So working in insurance, especially property and casualty and personal lines, I'm working directly with the client. So we would do bundles for home, auto, ORV, boat, you name it, honestly, motorcycle. And sometimes I'd be on the phone one, two, three hours with a client just to make sure I get the sale done. So I have a lot of experience with that, as well as software testing at Allstate for different systems that will go out to our agents eventually. So I do have a lot of experience with that.